Is a ban on smoking ‘even money’ for New Orleans bar owners?

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Carrollton Station owner Michael Miller (left) explains his experience taking his bar smoke-free to a handful of non-smoking advocates, members of the media and smoker Elizabeth Stella (seated far right) on Wednesday afternoon. (Robert Morris,

Carrollton Station owner Michael Miller (left) explains his experience taking his bar smoke-free to a handful of non-smoking advocates, members of the media and smoker Elizabeth Stella (seated far right) on Wednesday afternoon. (Robert Morris,

This week, City Councilwoman LaToya Cantrell’s office is launching a series of events — call it a blitz, maybe a crusade — promoting her vision of smoke-free bars across New Orleans.

Wednesday’s event at Carrollton Station was intended to be a forum for bar owners to discuss the issue. Despite personal invitations from her staff to proprietors and public announcements in a variety of media outlets, however, the only person from the public to show up was a single, angry, ardent smoker.

Why the low turnout? Carrollton Station owner Michael Miller — who took the bar smoke-free when he bought it last year — said that many of his colleagues likely see the smoke-free trend as inevitable, and may even be privately looking forward to such a ban.

“The opposition we’ve gotten has not been from bar owners,” Anna Nguyen, a Cantrell staffer, agreed afterward. “It’s been from patrons.”

How Carrollton Station kicked the habit
Carrollton Station was Miller’s own “neighborhood bar” back in the 1990s, he said, where he both worked and socialized until 2002, when he and his wife moved to a ski resort in Steamboat Springs, Colo. When they opened their own bar in Steamboat Springs in 2005, their first day with a liquor license was coincidentally the first day the town’s new smoking ban on bars was enforced.

Smoke-free had already been a trend there for years, Miller explained. As more bars went smoke free, the smokers crowded into fewer and fewer bars where their habit was still permitted inside — and those bars became progressively smokier, and thus less inviting for non-smokers. In the end, it was the owners of the smoking bars who quietly supported the ban, Miller said — in part for relief from the increasing amounts of smoke, and in part to bring their old customers back.

“Non-smokers make a choice as well,” Miller said.

When Miller returned to New Orleans and prepared to buy Carrollton Station in 2013, a fellow bar owner asked him what the single thing he’d like to change most about the bar would be. Making the place non-smoking, Miller replied — to which his friend called him crazy.

But Miller kept toying with the idea, and after a number of sleepless nights, finally decided to experiment with it in a fashion that might only make sense to New Orleanians: Carrollton Station “gave up smoking” for Lent, after Mardi Gras ended. After Lent ended, and the bar survived financially, Miller gratefully made the change permanent.

“Once you work in a smoke-free environment, it’s impossible to go back,” Miller said.

Voluntarily banning smoking is terrifying for bars, himself included, Miller said, because there’s always another bar around the corner where offended smokers can take their business. The only reason he was willing to consider it at the time was that Carrollton Station was rebuilding its clientele anyway after the sale, so he had very little business to lose. Meanwhile, his busiest, smokiest night was the Wednesday comedy show, and he was frightened that it would be devastated.

Instead, he said, business at comedy night doubled after the smoke-free policy — a result he never would have expected. The smokers all head outside between acts — sometimes almost emptying the room — and nearly everyone is happy.

“Ninety percent of the smokers’ feedback we’ve gotten is that they like it better, too,” Miller said.

Meanwhile, that friend who called him crazy for trying the no-smoking policy last year? His bar recently went smoke-free as well, Miller said.

Public health or social control?
Even if some bar owners do look forward to a ban on smoking, Wednesday’s meeting proved that Cantrell’s plan won’t come without a public fight. Marigny resident Elizabeth Stella made her way to the meeting intending to hit Cantrell’s staff “like a bomb,” she said, and wasted no time in unleashing an explosive tirade.

“This is not about public health. This is about control,” Stella said to the handful of clean-air advocates hosting the town hall. “This society has eroded civil liberties, and I am sick and tired of fanatics and whiners trying to govern my life and treat me like a 10-year-old. It’s time somebody put you people in your places.”

She has quit going to restaurants since smoking was banned inside them, she said, and now goes to her usual bars for her meals out. Furthermore, she said, isn’t alcoholism as big a threat to public health as smoking? Why not just return to Prohibition?

“This is nothing but hypocrisy,” Stella continued. “It’s time for you little twerps to rest your Messiah complexes. Nobody needs to pay to be treated like a dog, to be told to go outside to smoke.”

What about bars where musicians don’t perform? Stella asked. What about little neighborhood bars where the owners run the place, and they, too, smoke? Are they to be told they have to go outside their own establishment to smoke?

“Sometimes I think I’m living in the Soviet Union,” Stella concluded. “When I was a kid, this wasn’t even a damn issue.”

‘The end result’
Cantrell’s staffers and the Healthier Air for All group thanked Stella for her opinions, and tried to share the data they compiled for the meeting — that nearly 80 percent of Louisianans are non-smokers, and that prolonged exposure to second-hand smoke is as dangerous as smoking, particularly to bar employees and the musicians who depend on them as venues.

Studies in other cities that have been smoke-free for years have shown no significant revenue loss, said John Pourciau, Cantrell’s legislative director. With smoking bans in so many other places, it is a topic that can be easily studied.

“Because we believe we’re in the right, we don’t have to hide our opinion. The science is there. It’s been done for decades,” Pourciau said. “The end result will be legislation banning smoking in bars.”

Advocates of the change acknowledged that a number of aspects of the ban remain to be considered before the bill is written, particularly regarding the effect of pushing so many bar patrons outside. Will Carrollton Station and other bars still be able to continue allowing smoking on the patio? Many bars are in neighborhoods where the noise of smokers becomes a major issue — the former Jimmy’s Music Club (now The Willow) right across from Carrollton Station was legally required to engage in lengthy conversations with neighbors about noise management.

Miller, owner of the Carrollton Station, says he strongly sympathizes with smokers like Stella. It’s the happy-hour smokers who will be most heavily affected, he said.

“By the time smoking is banned, they look up and say, we didn’t get a voice,” Miller said. “Until it’s forced on them, it’s not really at the forefront of their minds.”

Stella’s concerns about rights resonate as well, Miller said. Even though he took his bar smoke-free — even though he wishes all bars in New Orleans would choose to go smoke free — he’s not sure he would personally vote for a law forcing that on them. But, he said, with more than 100 bars in New Orleans that already prohibit smoking, that tide has probably already turned permanently.

“It’s just the state of the world,” Miller said, as he headed back to serve a few $2 High Lifes to his own happy-hour crowd at the bar, who had happily ignored the whole meeting in the back of the room. “We just accept it all.”

10 thoughts on “Is a ban on smoking ‘even money’ for New Orleans bar owners?

  1. Good for Mike and the other bar owners that have made this change. And just like the article explains, the bars that do allow smoking are gradually getting severely smoky. I wonder why anyone smokes anyway. R.J. Reynolds? any comment on helping these folks get addicted? Hollywood? Any comment on the movies in the 1950’s where just about everyone in the movie was smoking and “looking cool”?

  2. Much ado about nothing.
    I think we can all agree there are far more pressing issues currently in the city that need immediate attention. I hope the Council Member recognizes this is not one of them.
    Stella’s comments were hilarious. When she is dying from lung cancer and trying to sue the tobacco companies her tune might change.
    The Soviet Union….um….too funny. Honestly, Robert….too funny.

  3. I lived in California when its smoking ban went into effect. The same arguments you hear here are the same they used there. It turns out that when there’s a level playing field, nobody loses any business.

  4. When individuals choose to become “smoke-free”, the Smoking Cessation Trust will be ready to help those that qualify quit for good — and it’s FREE. To-date, over 17,000 Louisiana residents that started smoking prior to 9/1/88 have chosen to become smoke-free with the help of the Smoking Cessation Trust and participating healthcare providers.

  5. They also likely used lead paint in your home when you were a child, Ms. Stella…which likely explains a lot. Excellent use of hyperbole, though.

    I’m not opposed to smoking bans, and like Angie recall many of the same lines thrown out when Portland’s ban went into effect. Everyone lived, and the smokers just went outside. I agree with Kellie though, there is a laundry list of more pressing civic issues I wish we could address in this city first.

  6. Probably not intentional, but the article seems to give the impression that the lack of attendees might be the result of public opposition or lack of passion in favour of the change.

    It should be pointed out that this particular event was targeted more toward bar owners and managers and that its scheduling (3-5pm) precluded most members of the general public from attending even though the invitation was extended to all.

    The timing was likely bad for the very audience they hoped to target. I’d imagine it’s more of a well thought out but insufficiently researched attempt on the part of the meeting’s planners to work within the workdays of their target audience. Having worked in quite a few restaurants over the years and having done my fair share of bartending here in New Orleans, I can tell you that most bar owners and managers are deep into their workday by 3-5pm and usually are especially busy doing final prep for the after-work cocktail crowd and the evening’s customers to come.

    We’ve tried here in Carrollton to put together business owner meetings and it’s not easy. Bar and restaurant owners have to start their main behind the scenes work for lunch when everyone else is still thinking about breakfast, our lunch is their work, and within short order of those patrons heading back to their own workplaces and into the lulls of the second half of the workday when most meetings are held, the bar and restaurant folks are right back to it prepping for the next round. It’s hard to manage a get together with this sort of crown even when it’s the owners of such businesses themselves wanting to meet.

    Just felt that should be pointed out…

  7. Cantrell’s staffers and the Healthier Air for All are incorrect. No health authority contends that secondhand smoke exposure is as dangerous as active smoking.

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