Owen Courreges: How to read the new ‘anti-noise’ proposals

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“Music is one of the oldest forms of human expression. From Plato’s discourse in the Republic to the totalitarian state in our own times, rulers have known its capacity to appeal to the intellect and to the emotions,  and have censored musical compositions to serve the needs of the state . . . The Constitution prohibits any like attempts in our own legal order.  Music, as a form of expression and communication, is protected under the First Amendment.”

— Justice Kennedy, writing for the majority, Ward v. Rock Against Racism, 491 U.S. 781, 790 (1989).

“Noise can be regulated by regulating decibels. The hours and place of public discussion can be controlled.  But to allow the police to bar the use of loud-speakers because their use can be abused is like barring radio receivers because they too make a noise.  The police need not be given the power to deny a man the use of his radio in order to protect a neighbor against sleepless nights.  The same is true here. Any abuses which loud-speakers create can be controlled by narrowly drawn statutes.”

— Justice Douglas, writing for the majority, Saia v. New York, 334 U.S. 558, 561-2 (1948).

This past week a coalition of thirteen neighborhood groups of varying levels of legitimacy proposed a seven-point scheme for controlling excess “noise” in the City of New Orleans, particularly in the French Quarter.  They claim that their plans are eminently reasonable.  I’ll summarize their proposals.  I’ll leave it up to you to decide whether they are reasonable:

  1. Every live entertainment venue must, at a minimum, document sound levels, maintain records of sound levels on the premises, and create a nebulous “sound control program.”  Apparently bartenders will henceforth be tied to a decibel meter. Moreover, I assume that this is a precursor to forcing venues to incriminate themselves with their own records.
  2. Taxpayers shall pony up dough for an extra full-time employee whose sole duty will be to enforce anti-noise laws backed by both the NOPD and the Health Department, and to maintain a fully-interactive public website with information on all complaints, enforcement and compliance.  Sounds cheap!
  3. Amend the law so that all noise measurements in all zoning districts are taken from the property line, rather than some other reasonable distance away.  See: Mellen v. City of New Orleans, 1998 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 14586 **8-9 (E.D. La. 1998) (rejecting New Orleans’ previous loudspeaker ordinance, noting in particular that it lacked a “distance” restriction).
  4. Increase fines for noise violations or, what the heck, just make them unlimited.  A million dollars, a billion dollars, whatever the judge wants.  Screw the Louisiana Supreme Court, which has held that “however admirable the legislative purpose . . . we cannot uphold a statute that permits an unlimited fine[.]”  State v. Le Compte, 406 So. 2d 1300, 1304 (La. 1981). What do   those guys know?
  5. Require a full-blown public hearing on the issuance of any mayoralty permit, even though the   issuance of mayoralty permits for live entertainment has been held to be ministerial (i.e., not discretionary), the result being mandated by law.  See: Humphreys v. Robertson, 97-1742 (La. App. 4 Cir. 03/11/98); 709 So. 2d 333, 336.  Thus, there is nothing to be adjudicated and public participation would be completely useless.  Oh, and this also sounds very cheap!
  6. Reduce decibel levels in the French Quarter to pre-1989 levels because, apparently, the Quarter has become more residential and sedate over the past 24 years.  Irrespectively, when the U.S. Fifth Circuit held that “there is probably no more appropriate place for reasonably amplified free speech than the streets and sidewalks of a downtown business district,” they were actually giving the green light to treat the French Quarter like Lakeview.  Reeves v. McConn, 631 F. 2d 377, 384 (5th Cir. 1980).
  7. Maintain the ridiculous standard in the public space of the French Quarter of the higher of 10 decibels over ambient noise or 60 decibels (the “noise” of ordinary human speech), so that you can actually be cited for speaking a bit loudly.  Now, the Louisiana Eastern District has already held that a 55 decibel restriction for public places is constitutionally overbroad, but apparently 60, being a scant five decibels higher, is ok.  See: Lionheart v. Foster, 100 F. Supp. 2d 383, 388 (E.D. La. 1996).

I think my snark is well-understood.  These seven recommendations are not modest proposals.  Rather, they are proposals for a wholesale crackdown on anything vaguely resembling auditory expression.  They are proposals for spending a hefty amount of taxpayer money because some crones in the Quarter have the money and time to play the role of killjoy in what is arguably the nation’s musical capital.  Half of these things are plainly illegal and/or insanely expensive.  It’s the polar opposite of reasonable and scarcely a starting point for negotiations.  This coalition just made an opening bid of three dollars on the Hope diamond.

Because these folks are not only fascists but cowards, they also cancelled their plan press conference when it came to light that protests would erupt.  I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and just assume that they wanted to spare their overly-sensitive ears from having to hear the voices of people uttering divergent opinions.

However, they are not without allies, and therein lies the problem.  While the pro-music forces are a ragtag and motley crew of political neophytes, the operation of music foes is organized, well-funded, and well-connected.  You can even check out their website bearing the slogan “Hear the Music, Stop the Noise.”  One imagines some Madison Avenue whiz-kid coming up with that one.  “Gee, these people are like some old lady in a tenement who beats her cane on the ceiling whenever she hears anything above a whisper.  How do I shine up this particular piece of fecal matter?”

(Cartoon by Owen Courreges)

I suppose you don’t really need much shine when you have your councilmember on your side, in this case by Councilwoman Kristen Palmer.  I was recently sent a copy of a draft ordinance entitled the “FQMD [French Quarter Management District] Draft Outdoor Loudspeaker Ordinance.”  I’m not sure of its present status, but it appears to be a bookend to legislation proposed in April of last year by Palmer that included various restrictions on the use of loudspeakers.   The chief stated purpose of the ordinance is “to establish a process for authorizing and permitting outdoor loudspeakers within the French Quarter and a process for resolving complaints related to use of the outdoor loudspeakers, and matters related thereto.”

Although over sixty years of jurisprudence from the U.S. Supreme Court provides that loudspeaker restrictions should include time and decibel restrictions, this draft ordinance simply states that “[t]he commercial enterprise shall contain the sound from the outdoor loudspeaker so the sound remains within its premises.”  That’s it.  Noise actually travels, so if the speakers are outdoors, the sound cannot be “contained.”  Thus, an ordinance that simply provides that noise be contained effectively bans the production of that noise to begin with.  The mere creation of the noise becomes the sum of the offense, which is unconstitutional.

If that weren’t bad enough, the ordinance then incorporates a fairly explicit heckler’s veto.  It provides that all a citizen has to do is make a sworn complaint, with no filing fee required and no procedures or standard of review delineated, to initiate an administrative proceeding against a business using loudspeakers.   Given that virtually any other proceeding I can file against a business requires a significant filing fee and sets forth clear standards, the agenda here is clear – once somebody complains, the business is toast.  The owners might as well just burn the place down for the insurance money and spare themselves the Kafkaesque nightmare that would accompany a meaningful challenge.

Again, I don’t know the status of this draft and cannot vouch for its origins, but if it is legitimate, it does sound like there are forces trying to ban loudspeakers (while not appearing to do so).  This is certainly the type of subterfuge we’ve come to expect from Palmer, who spits out unconstitutional legislation like Don Rickles spits out crude one-liners.  When she isn’t banning protected speech or passing thinly-veiled anti-loitering laws, I’m convinced she plays darts on a board with the bill of rights affixed.  A civil libertarian she is not.

But what’s really galling here is that our current anti-noise laws already either toe the line or step over it.  Back in 2010 the city had the audacity to crack down on, of all things, brass bands on Bourbon Street.  There, it relied on a law that expressly disallowed the use of musical instruments, when obviously the First Amendment does not permit music to be singled out as a means of expression.  Unsurprisingly, the city’s previous loudspeaker ordinance, which banned loudspeakers for the purpose of “attracting the attention of the public to any building, structure or vehicle,” was held unconstitutional.  Nevertheless, the new draft includes similar language.

Accordingly, the entire “stop the noise” movement should really be termed by its real goal, which appears to be “beating a dead horse.”  This is ground we’ve already gone over, and they lost.  They need to get over it and return to the negotiating table.  The present noise ordinance,  a mess of confusing and unconstitutional standards, does need to be revised.  However, it doesn’t need to be strengthened; rather, it merely needs to be clarified and simplified.  This will assist with notice and enforcement, leaving all parties better off.

For now, however, the anti-noise forces are content to overplay their hand and virtually guarantee a return to the status quo following short-term gains, either because their proposed “reforms” are politically untenable or simply unconstitutional.  They think that their money and connections are enough to win.  They’re about to find out, once again, that they are not.

Owen Courrèges, a New Orleans attorney and resident of the Garden District, offers his opinions for UptownMessenger.com on Mondays. He has previously written for the Reason Public Policy Foundation.

56 thoughts on “Owen Courreges: How to read the new ‘anti-noise’ proposals

  1. “Hear the Music, Stop the Noise.”

    Operation Iraqi Freedom, anyone? No Child Left Behind? Clear Skies? Healthy Forests?

    Whole-heartedly agree with the above classification of “turd polishing.”

  2. If this new noise proposal fails, New Orleans will continue down the SAME path of more crime, more poverty, more broken streets, etc, that has been going for the last 30 years…

    The owners on Bourbon Street that produce NOISE have produced the French Quarter that you see today, a FRENCH GUTTER, that smells, is loud, is noisy, is dirty, is BROKE, etc…

    You talk about the laws, and this ruling and that ruling, but what good are LAWS if there are no people, or money, in the first place?

    If Bourbon St and the French Gutter continues the same NOISE as it has been for the last 30 years, the only one left will be the musicians and the bartenders as there will be no BORING, but PROFITABLE, FAMILY ORIENTATED companies that actually PAY for things to get fixed.

    What do the lawyers of Louisiana have to show for themselves in the last 100 years except a last place and shrinking population state?

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    • AhContraire,

      We’re not talking about having no noise laws, rather just having reasonable, constitutional noise laws. Having laws so strict that only an artificial, regimented music scene can survive is not something that will promote economic prosperity.

      • Additionally, if unconstitutional laws are created, it will only result in the same thing happening as is happening today. Many of the laws on the books are not enforced simply because they invite a Constitutional challenge, and, as you see above, that has not worked out well in the past.

      • Perhaps all those in favor of the status quo decibel levels should relocate and set up OFFICES as well as their living spaces on say one of the 2nd floor of Bourbon Street?

        The same goes with the Tourism and Convention leaders as they should relocate their head quarters and offices on Bourbon Street if they think Bourbon Street is so great.

        YES, it really needs to be QUIET like Magazine Street so it can generate REVENUE like Magazine Street and the future Freret Street.

        Is it not true that 40% of all city revenue goes to fund city employee pension funds? If that is so, would not New Orleans go the way of Detroit and bankruptcy?

        Then again…..maybe it should get really NOISY to run all the businesses out and that will get NOLA into bankruptcy faster as all it takes in another hurricane and revenues drop…not to mention the NFIP flood insurance rate increase are hitting everyone on the NOLA metro area.

        • Not sure about the 40%…but I am sure that a full 60% of the cities budget is for “public safety”
          Thats 60% for police jails and courts. Now, if 40% is for retirement….then that explains why we are always broke.

    • AhContraire,

      And all this time I thought you and Owen C were one and the same! Seeing your reaction here I now know that I was wrong. In any case, you two are very well matched intellectually. I look forward to seeing this debate unfold.

      • Yet another,

        Seriously? I guess you’re very bad at identifying writing styles. Anyway, don’t let me get in the way of your trolling, you know, because you’re a troll and all. 🙂

        • In my defense you two have a lot in common.

          I am a bit surprised you let AhContraire totally take over your comments section. Didn’t think you would let him ride roughshod over you.

  3. So, you want to create a new position at City Hall and pay them well to be the monitor over noise. They will also need office space, assistants, and city owned car and credit card which will cost taxpayers. This person will also be selected by the Mayor aka a good friend. How can a city, with a deficit, actually fund this? Look at the crime reports just on uptownmessenger.com, 7 of the 8 first posts include, 3 murders, a stolen car, and 2 robberies. Police and Susan Guidry have more to worry about then underage drinking and loud noises in this city. Susan Guidry, get your mind out of the gutter and realize that uptown has a serious crime problem. This historic area once known for beautiful houses and the streetcar, are now more known for bad roads, Horrific crimes, and your false promises of every streetlight being fixed. These taxpayers elected you as there neighborhood leader, so please act like it for a change. Remember, “the fish stinks from the head down.”

    • Lyle,

      Exactly. If there’s a problem, we need to streamline and clarify the noise laws, but putting noise enforcement head and shoulders above the enforcement of other minor offenses is simply reckless, particularly given our overall crime problem and budgetary issues.

    • Seems your target is the Councilmember for District A. Perhaps you need to read the long article that you posted on before taking e-mail in hand.

      As to the article, yes there are laws on the books, but why not address the fact that ENFORCEMENT is lacking. Should the National Guard be called in, as the City and its law enforcement agencies are not accomplishing “The Right of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.”? what is the murder rate now?

      The pursuit of Happiness is not defined by the Constitution, but “We the People” have that right and finding the existing laws do not address the problems of “noise”, then there is a need for new laws to be written.
      Seems an attorney would be happy to help.

      • Why would you want the national Guard to come in? They didn’t even give them magazines in their M-4s after Issac.

      • ksvb3,

        Enforcement is a purely local matter; the National Guard can’t be called in to enforce local laws. The dedication of scarce local resources towards enforcement is itself a matter of public policy. We do have noise laws now and they are enforced, but enforcement would be made easier via simpler laws that capture actual noise problems rather than the hypersensitivity of those complaining. I don’t believe my help is actually needed on this; my understanding is that draft compromise laws have already been proposed, but the anti-noise crowd would prefer to go for broke.

  4. This is just another ploy by the post-Katrina Condo Carpetbaggers.

    They want a noise ordinance that makes basically everything in the French Quarter (and all the other neighbourhoods they’ve invaded (oops, I mean ‘improved’ or ‘rebuilt’) illegal.

    They’ve chosen with full awareness of what they were getting into to move into places that are noisy, have always been noisy, and shall always be noisy. That noise is why Iowa and Ohio fly to New Orleans for their vacations and why no one down here has ever taken a week off work to fly up there and enjoy a respite amongst corn stalks and brake pad plants.

    Now that they’re here, and that they’ve accepted the disappointing reality that no one gives two craps about their opinions on how we SHOULD be doing things and how they’re done “back home,” they’re busy conniving to figure out how to force their will on all of us dumb locals.

    They draw made up lines on maps, rename parts of the city, call themselves a neighbourhood association, and demand that the city council do what THEY (and not all those silly vast majority of people they disagree with who’ve done just fine for generations without their ‘help’) want done! Sadly they usually get their way.

    This time, they want an ace up their sleeves. After already mostly destroying our music and restaurant scene through their moratoria and zoning changes, they’re trying to get the city council to give them the ability to shut down and kick out any businesses in THEIR neighbrourhoods they don’t want or like.

    It’ll be great, since even two people walking down the sidewalk and having a normal conversation would be in violation of their decibel levels, it means that they’ll be able to give violations to anyone and everyone they choose.

    It’s simple really. Since they don’t have the money to buy out the real residents of New Orleans and their businesses, they’ll just force them out by shutting down the ones they don’t like.

    See a bar you don’t like? Maybe you want it to be a Starbucks instead? It’s easy, slap it with a noise violation. Then, since noise violations are prohibited for holders of liquor licenses, just have that (noisy!) bar declared a ‘nuisance’. Go to an ABC meeting, cry that your little cat fifi can’t enjoy her naps due to all the horrible noise, and watch as Pat’s or Lafitte’s or Monkey Hill gets it liquor license taken away.

    Success!

    Yet another great saviour from the North has saved us all from the evils of access to cocktails, made the streets safer by shutting down those napkin tosses, and protected residents and tourists everywhere from the whims of that evil scourge Alvin and his magic drink tray. Never again shall he harass the poor denizens of “Faubourg French Quarter” (that’s the REAL name for it..duh) with his smiles and dastardly piano accompaniment!

    Don’t worry though New Orleanians…come Saturday night, you can head down to Bourbon Street for a fun evening of yoga, a Chardonnay spritzer and designer purse viewing at Bourbon’s newest boutique, and finish the evening with venti latte skinny from your choice of 2 dozen Starbucks.

    Oh but if you wouldn’t mind, don’t make noise (whispers only!). Make sure we all know ‘where you got your shoes’ (in a bag of course silly! Socks only in the Faubourg FQ! It’s quieter that way). Remember, parking is for hybrids only because non-Prius vehicles would be an obvious noise concern.

    Go! Have fun! But hurry, bed time’s at 9pm after all! ;^)
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    Seriously? Why do we keep putting up with this BS?

  5. FROM FRENCH GUTTER to FRENCH QUARTER:

    The French Gutter must change just like New York Times Square was changed decades ago from a seedy strip club and bar scene to a very upscale and SAFE area..

    The French Gutter has effectively scared businesses and future businesses off for decades since NOLA became more tourism oriented.

    If the French Gutter, as all can see that’s what it really is, would be a real French Quarter, the rents, property taxes and tax revenue would double. The area would start to attract more businesses that would eat and order catering service at restaurants in the French Quarter and tip more. The crime would fall greatly and police could be reassigned to other hot spots and the city would actually be turning around as opposed to spun around by the tourism and marketing folks.

  6. At the current DECIBEL level where bars on Barfer and Barker Street (also know as Bourbon Street) try to drown out the other bars with massive speakers and noise), virtually all New Orleans musicians have to LEAVE New Orleans to make a living….

    Let’s say that again, with the current DECIBEL LEVEL and NOISE ORDINANCE, MUSICIANS have to LEAVE New Orleans to make a living.

    In other words, this so call MUSIC that is produced by musicians (that needs to be protected by the 1st Amendment) has to leave Louisiana and go places that have STRICT NOISE ORDINANCES or something like Magazine St sound levels just to make a living.

    The law, the 1st Amendment and the LEGAL WORLD are one thing.

    The REAL WORLD, where musicians need to eat to survive, is another.

    Those are the facts, if you don’t believe it, ask the New Orleans musicians who have to leave New Orleans to survive in the real world.

  7. HOW IRONIC…….

    How ironic that Musicians and their music need to go OUTSIDE LOUISIANA to survive and make a living AND that THOSE places OUTSIDE OF LOUISIANA:

    Don’t have Drive-Thru Daiquiris,
    Don’t have 24/7 alcohol,
    Don’t have a Mardi Gras 365 day atmosphere
    Don’t have a Jazz Fest.
    Don’t have a French Gutter Fest
    Don’t have wine bars and tattoo types all over the place.
    Don’t have alcoholics, panhandlers, or homeless on each corner.

    Don’t have all that “culture”.
    Don’t have all that southern cooking.

    Oh so ironic, New Orleans musicians and their music have to go to those BORING and NOT SO COOL places outside of Louisiana just to survive.

    And all those New Orleans bartenders and artists who tip these musicians more than normal apparently don’t make a difference to the musician’s bottom line…..

      • Sorry, Las Vegas does NOT have bars trying to DROWN OUT each other with speakers turned up to the max outside and Las Vegas does have noise ordinances that are enforced.

        The casinos are NO WHERE near residential or businesses like it is in New Orleans, Barf and Barker Street(aka Bourbon St) and the French Gutter.

        And Las Vegas doesn’t smell or have trash like Barf and Barker Street and the French Gutter.

        You obviously have NOT been to Las Vegas.

    • AhContraire,

      >>THOSE places OUTSIDE OF LOUISIANA: Don’t have Drive-Thru Daiquiris…<>Don’t have 24/7 alcohol…<> Don’t have a Mardi Gras 365 day atmosphere…<> Don’t have a Jazz Fest. Don’t have a French Gutter Fest…<> Don’t have wine bars and tattoo types all over the place…<> Don’t have alcoholics, panhandlers, or homeless on each corner…<<

      Actually they do, and many have it much worse. The last time I was in California the number of homeless people in public places was shocking.

      In short, I think you're wrong on all counts. On many of these, cities are actually adopting more of a laissez faire attitude toward these things, becoming more like New Orleans. The rest are either non-concerns or commonplace urban problems. None really set us apart.

      • Why even reply to Ah Contraire? He is the only one on this forum who constantly complains and refuses to use his real picture or name. I bet he lives in Slidell or La Place

      • At one time only a few cities had a lottery and gambling. Now many cites have gambling and by the way, are about to go bankrupt!

        And drive thru daiquiris and 24/7 alcohol in HOUSTON? Ha!!

        It’s been tried in the past and they eventually are SHUT DOWN as drunk driving accidents, stupid stuff, and deaths are proof.

        Check out all the casinos in Mississippi….it was supposed to bring in revenue, but guess what? Mississippi still in LAST PLACE and Louisiana is always grateful for that.

        Footnote: People want to think gambling and Las Vegas are answers….Guess what?

        Gambling, alcohol are not answers and the proof of that is that America is 15 TRILLION in debt.

        • I guess it is time for you to move to Houston. Fortune 500 companies, over 4 million people, growth, infrastructure, and daiquiri shops that close at 9pm. Have fun.

          • Houston has 6 million people, 25% more people than all of Louisiana.

            They also can say HELLO to some girl without a BEER in their hand and the girl can say hello right back without a BEER in her hand.

            Houston also has a lot more people to say hello to than all of Louisiana.

        • AhContraire,

          The drive-through daiquiri places here normally have closing times here too, even if they are a couple of hours later on average. I think my point stands.

          • The first drunk driving accident or shooting or crime will change that drive thru in a hurry, especially in Houston as opposed to Big Easy New Orleans.

            To say it’s a trend is ridiculous. If anything it got past the city council and inspectors who were not paying attention and it will sooner or later have to change it’s policy. For example, adult video rental stores. Sometimes they tell the permit guys one thing and then do another when they actually open up shop.

            Some slip through the cracks via smoke and mirrors just like you see in your New Orleans.

          • Another thing about TRENDS.

            Just because some city extends it’s alcohol hours doesn’t mean all cities are doing that. Other cities could be tightening down the laws.

            No money down, low interest mortgages was also a trend. Was that good? Apparently no.

            What about all the rich food and oversized food portions for New Orleans? That hasn’t been good either as New Orleans has one of the lowest life expectancies of the nation, very close to like Russia and it’s vodka addicted men.

            But if you want talk about trends, why not look at the population of New Orleans and Louisiana with it’s laissez faire attitude (Big Easy) attitude on noise and alcohol and what that resulted in?

      • >> Don’t have a Mardi Gras 365 day atmosphere…<<

        Well, neither do we. Except perhaps on Bourbon Street, I don't see anything resembling a Mardi Gras atmosphere year-round.

        Are not the NOLA defenders here DESENSITIZED toward alcohol, drinking, drunk, plastered, past out?

        On one hand you agree Bourbon Street is a 365 Mardi Gras atmosphere but then the Tourism and Convention leaders, cruise ships and the 14 national event leaders trot their peers, followers and guests straight to Barfer and Barker Street(i.e. Bourbon St) and the French Gutter.

        • Bourbon Street and the FQ are terrible. It is horrible looking at Spanish buildings from 1700’s. No one would every want to go see that. No one would want to see where Jean Lafite held his pirate meetings. Orthe Cabildo, where the LA purchase transfer took place, doubling the size of the US. And, of course no one would want to see the mouth of the Mississippi, where Andrew Jackson came up and won the battle of 1812. Next time I will just take a vacation Cleveland, because they have so much rich history and ambiance.

          • Do I detect sarcasm? I think so.

            What good is a master piece painting if it is put in the trash and REMAINS in the trash?

            What good is all this 17th, 18th and 19th century HISTORY if it remains in the gutter, the French Gutter?

            Well the answer to 130,000 former New Orleans residents was that they were tired of looking at the French Gutter and they took a really long vacation to Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, and San Antonio and stayed there for more than 7 years after Hurricane Katrina….

            The same can be also said for the Fortune 500 companies who also left NOLA.

      • “On many of these, cities are actually adopting more of a laissez faire attitude toward these things, becoming more like New Orleans.”

        If these cities are really, long term, becoming more like New Orleans, why didn’t the 130,000 who left New Orleans come back 7 years after Hurricane Katrina?

        If cities were becoming more like New Orleans WHY did this proposed Las Vegas noise ordinance even happening in the first place?

        Councilman’s call for more quiet downtown is met with resistance – Las Vegas Sun News
        http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/sep/02/downtown-noise-complaints-stir-intense-debate/#axzz2XFyJbzUb

        • only losers go to downtown Vegas. Even cab drivers hate that place. Maybe one day, you can save your pretty pennies from not drinking and gambling and take a little vacation. I am sure you will be going by yourself. You don’t seem like the person who would have many friends, know how to have fun, and is probably miserable with their terrible life.

          • “only losers go to downtown Vegas. Even cab drivers hate that place”

            Wow, such negative description!…..Doesn’t it reminds you of what they say about New Orleans, Barf and Barker St and the French Gutter…..

            However, New Orleans is a lot worse than downtown Vegas as it had such a bad reputation it even created a “Proud to call New Orleans Home” bumper sticker so it could feel good about itself.

      • On many of these, cities are actually adopting more of a laissez faire
        attitude toward these things, becoming more like New Orleans.

        When you say, laissez faire attitude, do you mean a “Big Easy” attitude?

        If so, that’s like playing the lottery or visiting a casino after one loses their job from drinking too much and not showing up for work to make ends meet. And which is very much the city’s story and on going strategy to attracting business. And as you can see, with the land based casino at the foot of Canal St, gambling, alcohol and even free-for-all music with max volume didn’t work one bit.

  8. UPDATE: the Broadmoor Improvement Association jus tlet me know through a message on theri facebook wall that they are NOT in favor of this proposal. Here is their reply: “Hey
    Phil, one of our members mistakenly gave their consent to include BIA
    in this proposal, but our board never voted on it, so we have requested
    that the BIA endorsement be removed from their materials. Thanks
    bringing it to our attention.”

    Here is their FB page, my post and their reply is in the ‘comments’ section:

    https://www.facebook.com/broadmoor.improvement?hc_location=stream

  9. No live music…No neighborhood bars….no alcohol permits for the neighborhood corner groceries….etc.
    Give these “reformers” enough time….and they will make sure New Orleans looses its soul. We will become just another cookie cutter American city.

  10. “This past week a coalition of thirteen neighborhood groups of varying levels of legitimacy…”
    FOCLMAO !!!!!

  11. TOMORROW (mon. aug. 19), it begins. 11:30 City Council committee begins the process of enacting these chilling proposals. C
    H Morrell , Cantrell
    , Gray , jackie
    Clarkson , Kristin Palmer
    , Stacy Head , susan
    Guidry

  12. Can I say that I love you. Thank you. Little by little this post-K power posse is just putting everyone who is not like them in a clamp and taking away things people really need, especially people with not a lot of money. I watched the proceeding and I read the report. As a trained audio engineer I was curious to understand the perimeters of measurement as the acoustic spaces in New Orleans are widely different – for instance the Quarter is dense and the material of the buildings is different from say neighborhoods with single story shotguns and how reflections work, amplify each other or cancel out. The thing that I find frightening, and when they talk about collateral damage, is the sanctioning and how that will work. But now I see that it’s moot, it’s unconstitutional… Thanks again!

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